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PostDipost: Min Apr 13, 2014 7:09 pm 
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well.... this corner is made for those who are interested in using english and might want to improve their english...
that's mean... if they want to be improved.. it should be no matter to get some bashing (but with manner and politely too i guess)
everyone who learn something... should be somewhat messy in the first, right...

but...
some of those who learned english
might have this kind of thinking...
*i've learned this.. it is simple... and i TRUST, and KNOW, that my english is perfect, and everybody else is not as good as me...*
though they might just learned the very basic of english
which end with their own demise in horrible english...

and sadly... those person are the most tough customer for those grammar nazi
it will end up in world war as the worst outcome..

won't it just be better for all of us...
that..
ok.. in here we can speak english within our limitation
and open for improvement... from anyone without any bitter resentment ?

*ok.. maybe out of topic again*

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yup I guess so :) I do appreciate people learn English, since basically I am still in learning process as well

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I'm afraid I had found some members who think that they're not good enough and feel ashamed if the others teased them, so bye bye english corner. Or I'm just too sensitive as a man
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haha hope I am not the one :) and I am not teasing those people

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@sand: nope, I think you haven't, and I believe none of us have. At least, we never mean that. But by speaking like this, I dunno, I just feel that some people would fly away with big sweat in their forehead :tutup telinga:

I just remember when I had an english conversation with my friend this afternoon (trust me, I'm not pretty good), our other friends watched us with sinister eyes
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Well yeah, I guess speaking English daily (especially when u speak with other locals), people will judge you for being too show off
People r very judgmental....

For myself, I am okay with it, and there is NO reason for being ashame for speaking English even with your non-English speaking friends
reason people don't like it, or look it down is because our environment is not yet designed that English could be one of our daily language

But again, I don't mean anything in this thread, I don't mean to insult anyone
Sorry for that


Actually my question is, how do you feel, and what would you do if you were in the same situation? :)

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Example? Hmmmmm make it in a friendly way is the best for me. When he said the wrong one to you, then you can correct him like but don't make it in a bossy way. And smiling at the end, I'm pretty sure it will make him learn his mistake but not embarrass or even annoy him. You can do that every time when he said the wrong one and see what will be his reaction at the end. If he wants to learn and improve himself, he will not be angry or feel annoyed trust me. But please, do consider the right timing and moment in doing such things. Hopefully this will help you enough ;)

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they might watch you with sinister eyes
coz.. maybe...they think that you are too arrogant to use indonesian language and you're showing that you're able to speak english...

i've have that situation too once..
but again... at that time.. my mood is way too bad to use indo...
and it ended with by big bro girlfriend asked him... "does your friend here cannot speak indonesian ? i cannot understand a word he said"
since i conversed with my big bro in english, although he answered me in indonesian...


so... just relax....
you're studying english.. and you try to improve yours
be a little shameless (in a proportional degree too) in using it daily

and in here.. there is a freedom of choice...
we are not forcing anyone to use perfect english...
yet.. try to be understandable in sentence building
*i've known some that is... making some confusing english sentence that is totally unclear what are they intend to say in their writing...
been there done that... and yeah... giving up on teaching them english... since they have no passion in learning it*

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Example? Hmmmmm make it in a friendly way is the best for me. When he said the wrong one to you, then you can correct him like but don't make it in a bossy way. And smiling at the end, I'm pretty sure it will make him learn his mistake but not embarrass or even annoy him. You can do that every time when he said the wrong one and see what will be his reaction at the end. If he wants to learn and improve himself, he will not be angry or feel annoyed trust me. But please, do consider the right timing and moment in doing such things. Hopefully this will help you enough ;)


maybe you can counter his mistakes by saying..
*erm... do you mean 'put sentence/word' ?"
or
*erm.. wouldn't it be better to put it this way...."sentence/word"*

or just say that you're a lil bit confused with what he convey
and list the word after he finished talking

of course ended with a big smile and say "please don't feel offended"

i do believe what azzzar conveyed before that "If he wants to learn and improve himself, he will not be angry or feel annoyed"

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Actually, we did the conversation because we'd been gossiping our teacher. •ˆ▽ˆ•Wªªkªªkªªkªªkªª •ˆ▽ˆ•


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Actually, we did the conversation because we'd been gossiping our teacher. •ˆ▽ˆ•Wªªkªªkªªkªªkªª •ˆ▽ˆ•


ok.. those who watched you with sinister eyes.. might be the fans.. or super fans of the teacher gossiped
or.. maybe just irritated that their serenity time is disturbed by your group chatter...
you know how school life situation XD

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Shiiya, today is Sunday -_-
They're not my school friends and he's not a school teacher. One of my friend has a major grudge against the teacher, and that lead us to the gossip. Unfortunately, there was a mentor near our table, so I and my another friend started to speak in english. Actually, the one that lead the gossip couldn't understand our conversation, while the last one updated his status about the situation •ˆ▽ˆ•


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this is really funny lol

For me personally, i think that people who try to show off their english are really terrible.. You're indonesian, so just speak indonesian. there is no need to show off your english skills. no matter how good looking you are, if people try to mix their indonesian and english language together, it would be a major turn off for me.

even when I speak with my friends, I always try to think of the indonesian term and try not to mix it up with english (although sometimes I happen to know the english term better than the indonesian huehehe)

i'd rather people showing off their education level or their humorous side rather than their language skills :mrgreen:

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this is really funny lol

For me personally, i think that people who try to show off their english are really terrible.. You're indonesian, so just speak indonesian. there is no need to show off your english skills. no matter how good looking you are, if people try to mix their indonesian and english language together, it would be a major turn off for me.

even when I speak with my friends, I always try to think of the indonesian term and try not to mix it up with english (although sometimes I happen to know the english term better than the indonesian huehehe)

i'd rather people showing off their education level or their humorous side rather than their language skills :mrgreen:


Kind of the opposite of me, i like to speak english when talking to my friends.
They have no objection because this way they can also learn english while i practice my pronunciation. Sometimes they also can correct my mistakes, so some of it is like a teaching-learing progress :)
Not at all times, though. Just for some terms which are shorter in english or makes more sense to me :D

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I think there's a big differences between "try to practice" and "showing off". You might just know better, what this guy is trying to do.

I met someone, too, and once he learns that I can speak English, he asked me to be his partner (for speaking English). We did it almost every night by telephone conversation, and just talk about almost everything. Now that's what I call "try to practice". Honestly, someone who's showing off is also a real turn-off.


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I think there's a big differences between "try to practice" and "showing off". You might just know better, what this guy is trying to do.

I met someone, too, and once he learns that I can speak English, he asked me to be his partner (for speaking English). We did it almost every night by telephone conversation, and just talk about almost everything. Now that's what I call "try to practice". Honestly, someone who's showing off is also a real turn-off.


couldn't disagree for more. Sand, you said that he already knew your background. if i were him, i won't miss my oportunity to practice my english with you. indeed.


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